Thoughts on Apple Home App and Insteon

Been using Apple Home app for a few weeks now with the main integration being with the Insteon hub and subsequetly all their devices such as replacing all our homes switches with switches and scene switches, as well as replacing outlets with their smart outlets. Bit of a nightmare to install with Insteon's limited wiring diagrams, but doable with perserverence.


While the Insteon Hub is easy very to add since it's a homekit device, adding the 30+ light switches etc is a chore since that must be done in the Insteon app not the Home app or by manually holding buttons on the devices which only worked half the time. Hopefully there will be a way around this in the future.


In regards to Insteon naming conventions compared to Apples...

Same Name:

Insteon Scene = Apple Scene

Insteon Room = Insteon Room


Different Name

Insteon Device = Apple Accessory

Insteon Schedule = Apple Automation


No Match

Insteon Zone = ?


Does Apple not have an equivealent to Zones? For instance an Insteon a Zone would be for instance "Downstairs", "Upstairs", "Basement", "Outside", etc. So pretty much a group of rooms (where is rooms are a group of local assecories). Theoretically I guess you could create an Apple Scene called "Downstairs" but a Zone (a group of local rooms) seems distinct from a Scene ( a group of various accessories) in my opinion.


So far Siri has worked quite well in general with Insteon and Home app on iOS 10. The main issue is that 9 out of 10 times the Home app shows "Not Responding" for all the many Insteon items in the house. If you tap on an item it will say updating and then it will properly show you it's status. Not sure if this is an Insteon issue or a Home app issue. The Insteon App doesn't appear to the have the same issue, so assuming it's an Apple issue unless Insteon needs to do an update to have its accessories show the proper status to the Home app?


Automation seems very limited and no way to combine multiple things. For instance, I can say turn outside lights at sunset (great). But say I want to have the lights turn off 6 hours after sunset, no way to do that. Or I can set a scene for when I come home, but if I come home during the daylight time, I would want different lights than if I came out after sunset. I don't see anyway to handle that common need.


Currently don't have another phone to test, but curious how multiple home users works. That is most all homes I assume have multiple people. So if you go out to the store and your partner stays home, you wouldn't want the house turning the lights off on them. But if you both leave the house you would want all the lights turning off. I see there is an invite people to your home option, but curious if then we setuping up geolocation automation, if it factors in the location of both people or not which is very important, like Nest does.


In the Home app on iPhone Favorite accessories on the main screen are all listed three to a row with unlimited rows, where is with Scenes it only shows 2 and you have to swipe left to see more scenes. I think scenes should all be listed, and if anything accessories should be swipe to see all if necessary.


There are no time since automation options. For instance with bathroom fan for instance, that get turned on by a switch and often forget to turn off since you want the room vented after a shower. Having an option in Home to say turn off this device after x minutes of being turned on, or if you wanted a light to turn off after a set amount of time.


Insteon scene switches are great, sadly, currently there is no way to associate a scene button on the wall with a homekit scene. You could do this via siri but not the actual wall switch, and while siri is great, all your guests to your home will be using the wall switches not siri in general to control things. This I assume is an Insteon issue however.


Would love to see a home app on Mac, even if just in the control center. At least you can control via siri on Mac, but no visual representation of the status of your devices. Of course an option to view and control online would be great but since Apple isn't strong on web services that may not come for quite some time and appear redudant to the common casual user.


That's my initial thoughts so far. Highlights being Apple Home needs zones, and Apple/Insteon need to resolve the Not Responding issue, automation needs to be able to combine multiple triggers, an automation for time since, and dealing with geolocation with multiple users.

Hey Chris, quick question. I just purchased an Insteon hub pro for the homekit capabilities and the ability to use my existing insteon switches. Are you saying that you are able to control insteon devices through apple's home app when it is available in iOS 10? That would be sweet cause I really like the ability to swipe up with control center on your phone to control everything. Thanks.

Interesting feedback - might want to crosspost to the HomeKit forum.

Yes, you will be able to control any HomeKit device from any manufacturer using the iOS 10 home app rather than having to use all the individual apps such as Insteon, Hue, etc. Home app even has features not possible in the Insteon app. Such as in Insteon you have to add all switches even if they control the same light such as a three way or four way. Home app allows you to 'group' them into one light in home controlled by Siri which is awesome though pretty crazy Insteon doesn't have that feature in their own app. I let them know about that issue but they didn't seem to bothered to resolve it. Luckily you can avoid using their app completely now.

I actually just installed some switches for a 3 way configuration so thanks for the tip.

Hi Chris;


Its 6 months later, and the release of iOS 10.3, I do realize. However Im fiding very few posts that address the Insteon/Homekit hybrid ecosystem, and even fewer colleagues & friends using this.


Ive built a new home and gone Apple Homekit ecosystem with splashes of Philis Hue, Elgato Eve, and of course Insteon for my Scene Switches (2334-222) and Smart Outlets (2663-222) throughout. I am using Philips Hue Brige (latest Gen) Insteon Hub Pro (HK enabled) and a high-quality wifi router (Netgear Nighthawk X8) all on the same Wifi Network. I am using iOS 10.3 and a Apple iPad Air Gen 1 as my Automation Hub.


There are 2 issues I cannot seem to resolve that perhaps someone who is following this thread could assist on;


1) Something Chris mentioned was, the Insteon Scene switches (not positive you were refering to these same switches im using) do not seem to map button-for-button within Apple Home. thus I cannot use them, with the exception of the single "On" switch which is hard-wired. I cannot find how to connect the individual scene switches with Apple Home scenes, Philips Hue scenes, or anything else for that matter. Also, Perhaps this can be done inside of the Insteon App (Which one? There seem to be several, which are not even supported any longer.. confusing)


2) My insteon smart outlets do have Apple Home compatibility, and control. However, Apple Home only sees the top outlet port on the smart outlet itself. Meaning that the botton plug does not have Homekit controll. Any ideas as to how this work? Something im missing here? (Firm ware etc.?)


Any thoughts & ideas welcome!

Insteon says keypadlinc buttons are not accessible via the Hub Pro, only the directly controlled device, which makes sense since the other buttons are themselves "programmed" so don't actually do anything but send an Insteon message. Unfortunately Insteon thermostats are not controllable via the Hub Pro either, as well as many other modules.

Thoughts on Apple Home App and Insteon
 
 
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