Simpler app developing program required

There are other tools out there, but they're limited - that's one option. Or, if you can't invest the time to learn the language, hire a developer.

Problem with the other tools are that they are limited as you mentioned and doesn't comunicate with xCode. (that means if you create an app in the other tools then it can't be edited in xCode).

Hireing a developer is also not an option if you want that app to be updated regulary (if you are not a milionare)

Any other option Simpsonics?

Without being in a paid developer program, you're complaining about something without knowing enough about it to have an opinion.

Consider it all a test. If you can't do it, you fail. There over 250k devs that have passed that test...

Just because it may be complex is no reason to complain that it should change and come down to your level.

Maybe if you explained where you're having issues, exactly, someone could help you out with specifics.

Yes, there's the obvious other option - put the time in to learn the language and the platform, just like everyone else has to.

Thanks Simpsonic. If I will have time for that then I definitelly do that. But not everyone has enough spare time to learn the language (or "collection of tools") as you. The other has probably only a good app idea and waiting for a tool which could help them to build it

If you want to create a simple app buy, and follow, the book "Sams Teach Yourself iPhone Application Development in 24 Hours" by Ray and Johnson (c) 2010. Better - get a more current version structured the same way - a simple book that gives step-by-step instructions on how to use Xcode and Objective-C to write an app. It will cost $30. Then pay $99 and in a few weeks you can have an app.

The reason why Xcode is so complicated is that it does lots and lots and lots of things; 99.9% of which you don't want, but I do, or at least I want 10%. The reason why Apple is not incentivized to make a simplier system is that no one wants to see simple apps anymore. That was 2010; this is 2016.

I don't really know what is for you a simple app. If simple app is for you some equivalent to contact app then this is definitelly not what I have in mind. I seriously don't know why do you think that simpler system does mean to create simple apps. You can have simple and powefull system to create a the most advaced app. The fact that it is not created yet doesn't mean that it is not possible to do it.

I would say that a lot of the confusion is an unfortunate side effect of Apple's attempt to make an incredibly complicated task easier. It's next to impossible to smooth out every possible scenario, so when things go wrong it can be really, really confusing because you were used to the simplified interface and don't know what to make of an accidental peek into the real nature of the software. For example, using the Capabilities features (especially when setting up iCloud and stuff like that) automatically creates and/or modifies your iTunes Connect App ID, which is super-easy to do but hard to understand what's going on. Consequently, inexperienced developers get massively confused all the time.

If you only programmed for three weeks and feel frustrated, that is pretty normal especially if you never programmed before. If you are serious about developing you need to give yourself more time.

Your magic tool won't come anytime soon, and probably won't come in your or my life time. They don't even make a tool like this for websites. They did (iWeb) and stopped developing that years ago. What you are saying is 1000 times more complex than that, and that should have, could have, would have...had it been done right, we may have a far better web today.

But if you simply don't want to learn how to program and you just want to take a shot and go for your app idea, you need to hire a programmer. I have no idea if $1000 is realistic for the type of app you want. Too bad their isn't a way for people like you (who show up here from time to time) to find freelance app developers to hire for things like this here, but that is against the rules of these forums right now.

Pretty sure that was like 18 minutes a day for a total of two days spaced out over a total of 3 weeks....

I wouldn't mind to go further but with the time I've got, would take it ages to be able to make something. I have watched a video with simple task to create easy collection, display it and edit it. It took 1.5 hours to make it. Just a simple collection.. Unbelievable.. That means my app would probably takes 3 years to learn and another 5 to build. Are you guys really happy with that or are you just scared of changes that everything you have learned would be useless? Don't you rather have a tool where everything would take 10 times less? If you are happy with that with all that saying that it is not possible then of course it won't be build in my or your life time

You mean it took 1.5 hours to view a video. It takes minutes to write the kind of app you're talking about

if you have experience developing for the platform and tools at hand. You say you have no free time. Really?

No-one works more than 16 hours a day, even with multiple jobs. Even if you work 2 jobs, go to school and

have a family, you still have time to watch television on occasion I'm sure, everyone does. Use that time to

read and learn. If you only work 1 8 or 9 hour a day job, aren't attending school and don't have a family with

children to deal with, you have a ton of free time you're just blowing off. Do something productive with it.

search for this one on youtube. Yes, he is explaining probably 30 minutes of that time but it is still an hour.

Core Data Save Images Grocery App Xcode 7 Tutorial

And for your information I work 14 hours a days on weekdays plus running my own business. 6-8 hours is all i've got on weekend which I'm trying to keep for myself, family or in this case learning programming which is obviously not enough

Then any kind of development or creative work is not for you. Simple as that.

I work the same amount of hours myself and am also on call 24/7 but still manage

to deal with home, family and many other pursuits as well.

First off, if you are brand new, stay away from Core Data for awhile. It is not intro level API. Make a calculator. Make tic tac toe.

>Unbelievable.. That means my app would probably takes 3 years to learn and another 5 to build.

I don't know what your app idea is so it is hard to say how long it would take. It is hard for experienced developers to judge development time on a lot of projects; most of us always think we will always finish something way before we actually do. And you certainly can't judge development time because you are learning and you are probably diving into tutorials that are too advanced for a beginner. Something that took you an hour and a half to do may take you twenty minutes once you have proper knowledge. And yes, some things of course do take a long time. The app I'm working on now I've been working on for nearly a month now, the one before that, 2-3 months (I honestly can't remember the exact day I started it, but 2-3 months sounds about right). Now there are some apps I've developed in less than a week. It depends on what the app does.

>. Are you guys really happy with that or are you just scared of changes that everything you have learned would be useless?

It has nothing to do with that. We are just realistic about it. Since we know how to write apps, we know that what you are asking for is not likely to happen. You maybe asking for something that won't be created for another 50-100 years, if that. One could waste his entire life trying to make something like that.

Building a tool that makes some aspect of programming obsolete in a very narrow area in software development is hard, but may or may not be reasonable depending upon what problem you are trying to solve. But building a tool that automatically does all the programming for you and anticipates every possible condition and gives you virtually all the power you'd get by actually writing the code is not realistically going to happen anytime soon (again, I restate that fact). And even if someone did have such a tool that was actually good and worked like that, you better frigg-in believe that company would charge so much for a license that it'd be way cheaper to hire a programmer.

I empathize with you. When I started out, I used a "App builder" tool and made a piece of cr- ap. There are some out there, but you will be limited to only the most basic features (not to mention you will be bound to them and when they go out of business, your app will die). Using that "App builder" tool was a complete waste of time.

If you don't have the time to learn this stuff, or if you don't have the desire to learn it, but you just want the app "done" so you can sell it and try to make money, look into hiring a developer. Plenty of devs are looking for such work.