Hello. In the iOS app i'm working on we are very tight on memory budget and I was looking at ways to reduce our texture memory usage. However I noticed that comparing ASTC8x8 to ASTC12x12, there is no actual difference in allocated memory for most of our textures despite ASTC12x12 having less than half the bpp of 8x8. The difference between the two only becomes apparent for textures 1024x1024 and larger, and even in that case the actual texture data is sometimes only 60% of the allocation size. I understand there must be some alignment and padding going on, but this seems extreme. For an example scene in my app with astc12x12 for most textures there is over a 100mb difference in astc size on disk versus when loaded, so I would love to be able to recover even a portion of that memory. Here is some test code with some measurements i've taken using an iphone 11: for(int i = 0; i < 11; i++) { MTLTextureDescriptor *texDesc = [[MTLTextureDescriptor alloc] init]; texDesc.pixelFormat = MTLPixelFormatASTC_12x12_LDR; int dim = 12; int n = 2 << i; int mips = i+1; texDesc.width = n; texDesc.height = n; texDesc.mipmapLevelCount = mips; texDesc.resourceOptions = MTLResourceStorageModeShared; texDesc.usage = MTLTextureUsageShaderRead; // Calculate the equivalent astc texture size int blocks = 0; if(mips == 1) { blocks = n/dim + (n%dim>0? 1 : 0); blocks *= blocks; } else { for(int j = 0; j < mips; j++) { int a = 2 << j; int cur = a/dim + (a%dim>0? 1 : 0); blocks += cur*cur; } } auto tex = [objCObj newTextureWithDescriptor:texDesc]; printf("%dx%d, mips %d, Astc: %d, Metal: %d\n", n, n, mips, blocks*16, (int)tex.allocatedSize); } MTLPixelFormatASTC_12x12_LDR 128x128, mips 7, Astc: 2768, Metal: 6016 256x256, mips 8, Astc: 10512, Metal: 32768 512x512, mips 9, Astc: 40096, Metal: 98304 1024x1024, mips 10, Astc: 158432, Metal: 262144 128x128, mips 1, Astc: 1936, Metal: 4096 256x256, mips 1, Astc: 7744, Metal: 16384 512x512, mips 1, Astc: 29584, Metal: 65536 1024x1024, mips 1, Astc: 118336, Metal: 147456 MTLPixelFormatASTC_8x8_LDR 128x128, mips 7, Astc: 5488, Metal: 6016 256x256, mips 8, Astc: 21872, Metal: 32768 512x512, mips 9, Astc: 87408, Metal: 98304 1024x1024, mips 10, Astc: 349552, Metal: 360448 128x128, mips 1, Astc: 4096, Metal: 4096 256x256, mips 1, Astc: 16384, Metal: 16384 512x512, mips 1, Astc: 65536, Metal: 65536 1024x1024, mips 1, Astc: 262144, Metal: 262144 I also tried using MTLHeaps (placement and automatic) hoping they might be better, but saw nearly the same numbers. Is there any way to have metal allocate these textures in a more compact way to save on memory?

Hi, Introducing Swift Concurrency to my Metal app has been a bit challenging as Swift Concurrency is limited by the cooperative thread pool. GPU work is obviously not CPU bound and can block forward moving progress, especially when using waitUntilCompleted on the command buffer. For concurrent render work this has the potential of under utilizing the CPU and even creating dead locks. My question is, what is the Metal's teams general recommendation when it comes to concurrency? It seems to me that Dispatch or OperationQueues are still the preferred way for Metal bound tasks in order to gain maximum performance? To integrate with Swift Concurrency my idea is to use continuations that kick off render jobs via Dispatch or Queues? Would this be the best solution to bridge async tasks with Metal work? Thanks!

my app use mtkview to render video, but [MTKView initwithFrame:device] takes 2-3s in some some 2019 macbook pro, system macos 15.0.1. how can I do?

Hello, I am using MTKView to display: camera preview & video playback. I am testing on iPhone 16. App crashes at a random moment whenever MTKView is rendering CIImage. MetalView: public enum MetalActionType { case image(CIImage) case buffer(CVPixelBuffer) } public struct MetalView: UIViewRepresentable { let mtkView = MTKView() public let actionPublisher: any Publisher<MetalActionType, Never> public func makeCoordinator() -> Coordinator { Coordinator(self) } public func makeUIView(context: UIViewRepresentableContext<MetalView>) -> MTKView { guard let metalDevice = MTLCreateSystemDefaultDevice() else { return mtkView } mtkView.device = metalDevice mtkView.framebufferOnly = false mtkView.clearColor = MTLClearColor(red: 0, green: 0, blue: 0, alpha: 0) mtkView.drawableSize = mtkView.frame.size mtkView.delegate = context.coordinator mtkView.isPaused = true mtkView.enableSetNeedsDisplay = true mtkView.preferredFramesPerSecond = 60 context.coordinator.ciContext = CIContext( mtlDevice: metalDevice, options: [.priorityRequestLow: true, .highQualityDownsample: false]) context.coordinator.metalCommandQueue = metalDevice.makeCommandQueue() context.coordinator.actionSubscriber = actionPublisher.sink { type in switch type { case .buffer(let pixelBuffer): context.coordinator.updateCIImage(pixelBuffer) break case .image(let image): context.coordinator.updateCIImage(image) break } } return mtkView } public func updateUIView(_ nsView: MTKView, context: UIViewRepresentableContext<MetalView>) { } public class Coordinator: NSObject, MTKViewDelegate { var parent: MetalView var metalCommandQueue: MTLCommandQueue! var ciContext: CIContext! private var image: CIImage? { didSet { Task { @MainActor in self.parent.mtkView.setNeedsDisplay() //<--- call Draw method } } } var actionSubscriber: (any Combine.Cancellable)? private let operationQueue = OperationQueue() init(_ parent: MetalView) { self.parent = parent operationQueue.qualityOfService = .background super.init() } public func mtkView(_ view: MTKView, drawableSizeWillChange size: CGSize) { } public func draw(in view: MTKView) { guard let drawable = view.currentDrawable, let ciImage = image, let commandBuffer = metalCommandQueue.makeCommandBuffer(), let ci = ciContext else { return } //making sure nothing is nil, now we can add the current frame to the operationQueue for processing operationQueue.addOperation( MetalOperation( drawable: drawable, drawableSize: view.drawableSize, ciImage: ciImage, commandBuffer: commandBuffer, pixelFormat: view.colorPixelFormat, ciContext: ci)) } //consumed by Subscriber func updateCIImage(_ img: CIImage) { image = img } //consumed by Subscriber func updateCIImage(_ buffer: CVPixelBuffer) { image = CIImage(cvPixelBuffer: buffer) } } } now the MetalOperation class: private class MetalOperation: Operation, @unchecked Sendable { let drawable: CAMetalDrawable let drawableSize: CGSize let ciImage: CIImage let commandBuffer: MTLCommandBuffer let pixelFormat: MTLPixelFormat let ciContext: CIContext init( drawable: CAMetalDrawable, drawableSize: CGSize, ciImage: CIImage, commandBuffer: MTLCommandBuffer, pixelFormat: MTLPixelFormat, ciContext: CIContext ) { self.drawable = drawable self.drawableSize = drawableSize self.ciImage = ciImage self.commandBuffer = commandBuffer self.pixelFormat = pixelFormat self.ciContext = ciContext } override func main() { let width = Int(drawableSize.width) let height = Int(drawableSize.height) let ciWidth = Int(ciImage.extent.width) //<-- Thread 22: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (code=1, address=0x5e71f5490) A bad access to memory terminated the process. let ciHeight = Int(ciImage.extent.height) let destination = CIRenderDestination( width: width, height: height, pixelFormat: pixelFormat, commandBuffer: commandBuffer, mtlTextureProvider: { [self] () -> MTLTexture in return drawable.texture }) let transform = CGAffineTransform( scaleX: CGFloat(width) / CGFloat(ciWidth), y: CGFloat(height) / CGFloat(ciHeight)) do { try ciContext.startTask(toClear: destination) try ciContext.startTask(toRender: ciImage.transformed(by: transform), to: destination) } catch { } commandBuffer.present(drawable) commandBuffer.commit() commandBuffer.waitUntilCompleted() } } Now I am no Metal expert, but I believe it's a very simple execution that shouldn't cause memory leak especially after we have already checked for whether CIImage is nil or not. I have also tried running this code without OperationQueue and also tried with @autoreleasepool but none of them has solved this problem. Am I missing something?

I’ve been trying to run Jurassic World Evolution 2 using the Game Porting Toolkit on macOS, but the game doesn’t launch and crashes immediately. Based on the error and research, it seems the issue is related to missing support for D3D12_TILED_RESOURCES_TIER_2 in the Metal API. If this is the case, does anyone know if support for tiled resources is planned for future updates of the toolkit? Or are there any potential workarounds for bypassing this limitation?

I am trying to load some PNG data with MTKTextureLoader newTextureWithData，but the result shows wrong at the alpha area. Here is the code. I have an image URL, after it downloads successfully, I try to use the data or UIImagePNGRepresentation (image), they all show wrong. UIImage *tempImg = [UIImage imageWithData:data]; CGImageRef cgRef = tempImg.CGImage; MTKTextureLoader *loader = [[MTKTextureLoader alloc] initWithDevice:device]; id<MTLTexture> temp1 = [loader newTextureWithData:data options:@{MTKTextureLoaderOptionSRGB: @(NO), MTKTextureLoaderOptionTextureUsage: @(MTLTextureUsageShaderRead), MTKTextureLoaderOptionTextureCPUCacheMode: @(MTLCPUCacheModeWriteCombined)} error:nil]; NSData *tempData = UIImagePNGRepresentation(tempImg); id<MTLTexture> temp2 = [loader newTextureWithData:tempData options:@{MTKTextureLoaderOptionSRGB: @(NO), MTKTextureLoaderOptionTextureUsage: @(MTLTextureUsageShaderRead), MTKTextureLoaderOptionTextureCPUCacheMode: @(MTLCPUCacheModeWriteCombined)} error:nil]; id<MTLTexture> temp3 = [loader newTextureWithCGImage:cgRef options:@{MTKTextureLoaderOptionSRGB: @(NO), MTKTextureLoaderOptionTextureUsage: @(MTLTextureUsageShaderRead), MTKTextureLoaderOptionTextureCPUCacheMode: @(MTLCPUCacheModeWriteCombined)} error:nil]; }] resume];

What evidence exists that it's safe to call nextDrawable() on CAMetalLayer off the main thread? I have seen developers claiming that it's OK, but the official docs are silent on the topic. Attempting to do so with Strict Concurrency Checking set to Complete complains that CAMetalLayer is not @Sendable. I want to call it off the main thread since there doesn't seem to be any way to prevent it from blocking the UI for up to a second. I have read hints and allegations that this won't happen if you avoid asking for too many drawables, but that doesn't seem to be true 100% of the time in my experience. Supposing it is allowed, I wonder how races are handled such as when the layer's size is changed on the main thread, or if the layer is removed from the layer hierarchy.

I am trying to use the SVGF denoiser to denoise my ray traced shadows (and also other textures later). I do get a smoothed image, but with wonky denoising. I need the depth-normal textures and motion textures for the SVGF and assume that these are badly filled in my case. However, neither in the above linked documentation nor in the WWDC19 video I find how they should be defined. I am looking to answers to: Is depth in red or alpha channel for the depth-normal texture? Are the normals in screen space? Is depth linear? Is it distance or z coordinate in view space? Or even logarithmically scaled or something else? Are the motion vectors supposed to be in pixels per frame? What is the orientation of the axis? Is y up or down? Are there are other restrictions on the formats? Also the linked code did not help me (I have not found any SVGF so far; also all the code is in Objective-C++, not Swift, but that's a different topic). So how should I fill these textures. Can someone point me to the documentation where these kinds of questions are answered?

Hello! I need to "draw" a set of particles into the texture. It would be trivial in render encoder of course. However, I would like to implement the task in compute kernel. Every particle draw operation is expected to set 5 texels - "center" one and left/right/upper/lower. Particles can and will overlap, so concurrent draws are to be expected. I tried using texture atomics - atomic_store() to be more precise. This worked, albeit pretty slowly - too slow for my purpose. Just to test what would happen, I tried using normal texture write(). I was expecting to see some kind of visual artefacts, but to my surprise, it worked very well (and much faster). My question: is it safe? I understand that calling write() doesn't guarantee any ordering of the operations, so if multiple threads write to the same texel, the final value may come from any of those threads. But suppose all the threads were to write the very same color? Can I assume that the texel in question will have said color after the compute kernel finishes? I am using M2 Pro MacBook, but ideally I would love to get the answer for the all Apple Silicon devices. My texture format is R32Int (so as to be able to use atomics), but I could do with any single-channel format, the purpose of the texture is to be binary mask of sorts. Thanks!

I used xcode gpu capture to profile render pipeline's bandwidth of my game.Then i found depth buffer and stencil buffer use the same buffer whitch it's format is Depth32Float_Stencil8. But why in a single pass of pipeline, this buffer was loaded twice, and the Load Attachment Size of Encoder Statistics was double. Is there any bug with xcode gpu capture?Or the pass really loaded the buffer twice times?

Hi, Apple’s documentation on Order-Independent Transparency (OIT) describes an approach using image blocks, where an array of size 4 is allocated per fragment to store depth and color in a tile shading compute pass. However, when increasing the scene’s depth complexity by adding more overlapping quads, the OIT implementation fails due to the fixed array size. Is there a way to dynamically allocate storage for fragments based on actual depth complexity encountered during rasterization, rather than using a fixed-size array? Specifically, can an adaptive array of fragments be maintained and sorted by depth, where the size grows as needed instead of being limited to 4 entries? Any insights or alternative approaches would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Hello! I'm currently porting a videogame console emulator to iOS and I'm trying to make the renderer (tested on MacOS) work on iOS as well. The emulator core is written in C++ and uses metal-cpp for rendering, whereas the iOS frontend is written in Swift with SwiftUI. I have an Objective-C++ bridging header for bridging the Swift and C++ sides. On the Swift side, I create an MTKView. Inside the MTKView delegate, I run the emulator for 1 video frame and pass it the view's backing layer for it to render the final output image with. The emulator runs and returns, but when it returns I get a crash in Swift land (callstack attached below), inside objc_release, which indicates I'm doing something wrong with memory management. My bridging interface (ios_driver.h): #pragma once #include <Foundation/Foundation.h> #include <QuartzCore/QuartzCore.h> void iosCreateEmulator(); void iosRunFrame(CAMetalLayer* layer); Bridge implementation (ios_driver.mm): #import <Foundation/Foundation.h> extern "C" { #include "ios_driver.h" } <...> #define IOS_EXPORT extern "C" __attribute__((visibility("default"))) std::unique_ptr<Emulator> emulator = nullptr; IOS_EXPORT void iosCreateEmulator() { ... } // Runs 1 video frame of the emulator and IOS_EXPORT void iosRunFrame(CAMetalLayer* layer) { void* layerBridged = (__bridge void*)layer; // Pass the CAMetalLayer to the emulator emulator->getRenderer()->setMTKLayer(layerBridged); // Runs the emulator for 1 frame and renders the output image using our layer emulator->runFrame(); } My MTKView delegate: class Renderer: NSObject, MTKViewDelegate { var parent: ContentView var device: MTLDevice! init(_ parent: ContentView) { self.parent = parent if let device = MTLCreateSystemDefaultDevice() { self.device = device } super.init() } func mtkView(_ view: MTKView, drawableSizeWillChange size: CGSize) {} func draw(in view: MTKView) { var metalLayer = view.layer as! CAMetalLayer // Run the emulator for 1 frame & display the output image iosRunFrame(metalLayer) } } Finally, the emulator's render function that interacts with the layer: void RendererMTL::setMTKLayer(void* layer) { metalLayer = (CA::MetalLayer*)layer; } void RendererMTL::display() { CA::MetalDrawable* drawable = metalLayer->nextDrawable(); if (!drawable) { return; } MTL::Texture* texture = drawable->texture(); <rest of rendering follows here using the drawable & its texture> } This is the Swift callstack at the time of the crash: To my understanding, I shouldn't be violating ARC rules as my bridging header uses CAMetalLayer* instead of void* and Swift will automatically account for ARC when passing CoreFoundation objects to Objective-C. However I don't have any other idea as to what might be causing this. I've been trying to debug this code for a couple of days without much success. If you need more info, the emulator code is also on Github Metal renderer: https://github.com/wheremyfoodat/Panda3DS/blob/ios/src/core/renderer_mtl/renderer_mtl.cpp#L58-L68 Bridge implementation: https://github.com/wheremyfoodat/Panda3DS/blob/ios/src/ios_driver.mm Bridging header: https://github.com/wheremyfoodat/Panda3DS/blob/ios/include/ios_driver.h Any help is more than appreciated. Thank you for your time in advance.

The flushContextInternal function in glr_sync.mm:262 called abort internally. What caused this? Was it due to high device temperature or some other reason? Date/Time: 2024-08-29 09:20:09.3102 +0800 Launch Time: 2024-08-29 08:53:11.3878 +0800 OS Version: iPhone OS 16.7.10 (20H350) Release Type: User Baseband Version: 8.50.04 Report Version: 104 Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT) Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000 Triggered by Thread: 0 Thread 0 name: Thread 0 Crashed: 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00000001ed053198 __pthread_kill + 8 (:-1) 1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00000001fc5e25f8 pthread_kill + 208 (pthread.c:1670) 2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00000001b869c4b8 abort + 124 (abort.c:118) 3 AppleMetalGLRenderer 0x00000002349f574c GLDContextRec::flushContextInternal() + 700 (glr_sync.mm:262) 4 DiSpecialDriver 0x000000010824b07c Di::RHI::onRenderFrameEnd() + 184 (RHIDevice.cpp:118) 5 DiSpecialDriver 0x00000001081b85f8 Di::Client::drawFrame() + 120 (Client.cpp:155) 2024-08-27_14-44-10.8104_+0800-07d9de9207ce4c73289507e608e5de4320d02ccf.crash

I have this drawing app that I have been working on for the past few years when I have free time. I recently rebuilt the app in Metal to build out other brushes and improve performance, need to render 10000s of lines in realtime. I’m running into this issue trying to create a uniform opacity per path. I have a solution but do not love it - as this is a realtime app and the solution could have some bottlenecks. If I just generate a triangle strip from touch points and do my best to smooth, resample, and handle miters I will always get some overlaps. See: To create a uniform opacity I render to an offscreen texture with blending disabled. I then pre-multiply the color and draw that texture to a composite texture with blending on (I do this per path). This works but gets tricky when you introduce a textured brush, the edges of the texture in the frag shader cut out the line. Pasted Graphic 1.png Solution: I discard below a threshold fragment float4 fragment_line(VertexOut in [[stage_in]], texture2d<float> texture [[ texture(0) ]]) { constexpr sampler s(coord::normalized, address::mirrored_repeat, filter::linear); float2 texCoord = in.texCoord; float4 texColor = texture.sample(s, texCoord); if (texColor.a < 0.01) discard_fragment(); // may be slow (from what I read) return in.color * texColor; } Better but still not perfect. Question: I'm looking for better ways to create a uniform opacity per path. I tried .max blending but that will cause no blending of other paths. Any tips, ideas, much appreciated. If this is too detailed of a question just achieve.

Hello! I have a question about how thread groups work with tile shading. When running "traditional" compute, I get to choose both thread group size and the grid size. However, when using tile shading kernel I only have dispatchThreadsPerTile method - this controls how many threads will be ran in each tile. So far so good, but what about thread groups? The examples in video "Tile Shading on A11" seem to suggest that there will be only one thread group per tile. In the video, [[thread_index_in_threadgroup]] is called "local_id" and it is used to access the image block. I assume this is the default configuration. So when one does the following: Creates MTLRenderPassDescriptor with tileWidth set to W and tileHeight set to H Fires up the tile shading kernel using dispatchThreadsPerTile with MTLSize size = { W, H, 1 } I understand that the result is 1-to-1 mapping between the tile "pixels" and kernel threads. Now, what I would like to do is to have more than one thread group there. I want this for performance reasons: I have a certain compute kernel which I know executes very well with small thread group size. In fact, { 32, 1, 1 } seems to be the fastest. My understanding is that even if I set tile size to 16x16, and so I am executing 256 threads there, there will only be one SIMD group active in a thread group. Meaning that this SIMD group has to execute 8 times over the tile. Is it possible somehow? Or perhaps the limitations of the API are pointing at the limitations of hardware itself, and if I want to execute with SIMD group sized thread groups I have to use "traditional" compute encoder? Will be grateful for help. Michał

Anyone else unable to download the "Rendering a Scene with Deferred Lighting in C++" (https://developer.apple.com/documentation/metal/rendering-a-scene-with-deferred-lighting-in-c++?language=objc)? I just an error page: Is there another place to download this sample?

Hello I am trying to get thread group memory access in fragment shader. In essence, I would like to have all the fragments in a tile to bitwiseOR some value. My idea was to use simd_or across the SIMD group, then make each SIMD group thread 0 to atomic or the value into thread group memory. Finally very first thread of the tile would be tasked with writing the value down to texture with write access. Now, I can allocate the thread group memory argument to the fragment function all right. MTLRenderEncoder has setThreadgroupMemoryLength call, which I am using the following way [renderEncoder setThreagroupMemoryLength: 16 offset: 0 atIndex:0] Unfortunately, all I am getting is the following error (runtime assertion) -[MTLDebugRenderCommandEncoder setThreadgroupMemoryLength:offset:atIndex:]:3487: failed assertion Set Threadgroup Memory Length Validation offset + length(16) must be <= threadgroupMemoryLength(0).` What I am doing wrong? How I can get thread group memory in the fragment shader? I know I could use tile shading and compute function but the problem is that here I really like to use fragment stuff. Will be grateful for help.

View Layout Add the following views in a view controller: Label View A, with a subview of the same size: MTKView A View B, with a subview of the same size: MTKView B Refresh Rates of Each View The label view refreshes at 60fps (driven by CADisplayLink). MTKView A and B refresh at 15fps. MTKView Implementation Details The corresponding CAMetalLayer's maximumDrawableCount is set to 2, changed to double buffering. The scheduling mechanism is modified; drawing is not driven by the internal loop but is done manually. The draw call is triggered immediately upon receiving a frame. self.metalView.enableSetNeedsDisplay = NO; self.metalView.paused = YES; A new high-priority queue is created for drawing, instead of handling it on the main queue. MTKView Latency Tracking The GPU completion time T1 is observed through the addCompletedHandler callback of the CommandBuffer. The presentation time T2 of the frame is observed through the addPresentedHandler callback of the currentDrawable in MTKView. Testing shows that T2 - T1 > 16.6ms (the Vsync period at 60Hz). This means that after the GPU rendering in MTLView is finished, the frame is not actually displayed at the next Vsync instruction but only at the Vsync instruction after that. I believe there is an extra 16.6ms of latency here, which I want to eliminate by adjusting the rendering mechanism. Observation from Instruments From Instruments, the Surface presentation aligns with the above test results. After the Metal encoder finishes, the Surface in Display switches only after the next-next Vsync instruction. See the image in the link for details. Questions According to a beginner's understanding, after MTKView's GPU rendering is finished, the next Vsync instruction should officially display (make it visible). However, this is not what is observed. Does the subview MTKView need to wait for another Vsync cycle to be drawn to the actual display buffer? The label updates its text at 60fps, so the entire interface should be displayed at 60fps. Is the content of MTKView not synchronized when the display happens? Explanation of the Reasoning Behind Some MTKView Code Details Changing from the default triple buffering to double buffering helps reduce the latency introduced by rendering. Not using MTKView's own scheduling mechanism but using manual triggering of the draw method is because MTKView's own scheduling mechanism is driven by CADisplayLink. Therefore, if a frame falls within a Vsync window, it needs to wait for the next Vsync window to trigger the draw operation, which introduces waiting latency.

The code is pretty simple kernel void naive( constant RunParams *param [[ buffer(0) ]], const device float *A [[ buffer(1) ]], // [N, K] device float *output [[ buffer(2) ]], uint2 gid [[ thread_position_in_grid ]]) { uint a_ptr = gid.x * param->K; for (uint i = 0; i < param->K; i++, a_ptr++) { val += A[b_ptr]; } output[ptr] = val; } when uint a_ptr = gid.x * param->K, the code got 150 GFLops when uint a_ptr = gid.y * param->K, the code got 860 GFLops param->K = 256; thread per group: [16, 16] I'd like to understand why the performance is so different, and how can I profile/diagnose this to help with further optimization.

The game physics work as expected using GTPK 2.0 using Crossover 24 or Whisky. However, using GPTK 2.1 with Crossover 25, the player and camera physics misbehave. See https://www.reddit.com/r/WWEGames/comments/1jx9mph/the_siamese_elbow/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/WWEGames/comments/1jx9ow4/camera_glitch/ Full video also linked in the Reddit post. I have also submitted this bug via the feedback assistant.